Oct
01

3 ON – 1 OFF.

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Fielding who actually stopped moving long enough for us to snap a photo!

Fielding crushing another workout!

In addition to all of the hilarious quotes that we picked up from Rip this weekend, there was also some potentially debatable information passed down.  Some of it I’ll take as gospel and some of it I have my own questions about and am curious about getting all of your opinions on.  The first question is with regards to overtraining.  Rip said and Eva T. agreed that training CrossFit for 3 days on and 1 day off (the unofficial CF “recommendation” for competitors) would definitely lead to overtraining very quickly.   What are your thoughts on the 3 on 1 off method?  Is that too intense – too short of a recovery time?  Should it only be done for a short time period such as training for a specific event?  Post to comments, I’ll follow up with my opinion tomorrow. 

Today’s Workout:
AMRAP 20 MIN:
400 M Farmer’s Carry
20 Burpee Box Jumps

Categories : Workouts

17 Comments

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I’m loving this series. I think anyone who loves Crossfit needs to read this and take it to heart. It’s hard to rest when you love what you do!

Thanks, guys. See you Saturday!

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I feel like a 3 on 1 off is good if your 3rd and day off is not a Crossfit WOD but yoga/ swimming/ hiking etc… These workouts are tough and when you incorporate other activites as active rest days I think it clears you mind and prepares you to tackle the next WOD.

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At my “advanced” age, I’ve found that 3 on/1 off takes a very serious toll on my body. 2 on/1 (or 2) off feels better and allows me to take the extra rest day or throw in some other type of activity.

I think we as Crossfitters often lose sight of the fact that there is actually a world out there that does not involve constant physical activity. And that, yes, it is o.k. to just plain sit on your ass every once in a while.

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It is funny that this is your post as I was debating that same question this morning.

After a hard hill run on Monday (not WOD, but tough) and CrossFit WOD for the past 2 days, I was debating a rest day today or toughing out another WOD and taking tomorrow off.

I would like to hear other thoughts.

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Whether or not 3 on 1 off is a bad idea depends critically on too many variables to come even close to a universal truth. Here are some of the factors that clearly influence the efficacy of the train/rest cycle:

Athlete – This is a blanket statement pointing out the obvious… that we are all individuals with different genetic potentials and natural abilities. All other things being equal, I might need more rest than River just because I am genetically less of a badass than River.

Training – How about Rips Starting Strength program. He calls for 1 day on, 1 day off. But Every time you go into the gym your squatting, pulling, pressing, and cleaning weights that are literally the heaviest you can move in the same set/rep schemes over and over. The goal is to add weight to the bar every time you train. Well, I tried this program and from personal experience I can tell you that if you try to add weight to the bar without taking a rest day you’re going to fail. Given the variance in crossfit wods it is unclear to me that crossfitters need more rest than 1 in 3. In fact, crossfit is so variant from one gym to another, from one trainer to another, and from one trainee to another, that I doubt there is sufficient evidence to argue compellingly one way or the other.

Discipline – Are you stretching and foam rolling 3 times a day? Are you eating strict zone and paleo? Are you eating enough? Do you sleep a solid, uninterrupted, restful 8 hours or more every night?

So I suppose I’m saying to keep an active and detailed journal of what your eating, sleeping, WODing, and listen to your body. This means don’t be an idiot which for some reason can be hard for some of us.

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Amber- you simply have to listen to your body. As Traver said on another thread, there’s a big difference between dreading a WOD and being nervous for one. Let’s not forget that what we do has a mental toll and not just physical. Mindset is extremely important in sport and life.
Speaking from personal experience from the last few weeks, if you feel like there’s something “not right” past the point of normal soreness, its time to take a break.
That being said, I’ve heard and been part of many debates on doing WOD’s when you’re sore. Personally, if I know I’m going to be really sore from a WOD, I like to sneak one more in before that 2nd day of soreness hits. Then I take some time off.
I think the worst thing we can do is try to “tough out” another WOD when our bodies are in dire need of recovery. For many of us, its very difficult to sit out on the sidelines in the sport (CF) you’ve grown to love. It generally happens when you see today’s WOD and think “Oh $hit I can crush that!” Pull back the reigns and get your body recovered. There will always be more WOD’s. We are preparing our bodies and minds for the zombie apocalypse, but it’s certainly not here yet.
Great thoughts everybody…keep’em coming.

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I import the concept of “constantly varied” into my workout timing and frequency. So, sometimes I’ll do 3 on, 1 off; other times, 3 on, 2 off; 4 on, 2 off (this was not such a good idea on day 4, but day 1 after 2 days off was huge); 2 on, 1 off; 1 on, 2 off; or even 5 or 7 off if on vacation.

Similarly, I vary times: uUually at 6 am, otherwise at 8 am (The Beckster and I do one or two non-Crossfit workouts a week together), noon, 5:30 pm or 6:30 pm. My guiding principal here is only rarely let less than 23 hours pass between workouts. That is, I won’t work at 5:30 pm and then again at 6 am. (But I probably will, just to try it, now that I think about it.)

Basically, I try to make room in my schedule for 5 or 6 workouts a week, but I listen to my body and will take an extra day off if I feel like I need it.

The Claw

My schedule is such that I can’t stick to a consistent weekly schedule.

Simi

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I’m with Crossley on all those points, it really comes down to the individual and what your mind and body is capable of.

I myself am in the midst of some necessary, self-imposed, rest days. I am hoping to be in fighting condition for Saturday so I can bring it the only way we know how to at CPC. I’ve been resting, stretching (although I could be stretching more) and icing my body where it needs it. This is all due to some very intense WODing over the last two weeks that left my lower back extremely tight and stiff. As much as I hate not showing up for a WOD I’ve learned to listen to my body and give it the time it needs to heal.

Sometimes the little bit of rest you give yourself results in great improvements and PR’s where you didn’t expect them. Faith had a post on the CFV website about her experience with taking more rest days.

I’ve kind of gone off on a tangent but back to the question of ’3 on 1 off”…I don’t see anything wrong with it as long as your smart about it and remember a Crossfit motto…”leave your ego at the door”.

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One of my favorite things about Crossfit is that it has forced me to figure out what works for ME. There are so many opinions about how we should/shouldn’t train, eat, rest, etc. But, like Crossley said, we are all individuals with different abilities, strengths, weaknesses and issues that we have to consider. Crossfit is an individual journey. We have the amazing bonus of doing it in a supportive, group environment, but at the end of the day, it’s all about ‘you’.

3 on 1 off is too much for me, but it took working out at 3/1 for a while and feeling beat down and awful before I realized that I should probably reconsider that sequence.

p.s. can you guys talk a little more about the affiliate challenge on Sat. after reading Colin’s CFV post from last night I’m feeling a little worried. (standards, eating, warm ups, eeeeeek)
p.p.s. most of the worry is probably coming from my sadness over no crunk batting due to paleo adherence

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crossley – you get my vote for most empirically based response. other than that you are just a geek who lifts weights…and plays speed metal.

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and as for the crunk bat, i’m not drinking ‘cuz i have to work that evening so i can be designated driver for you crunkbatistas.

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Crossfit trains across broad time and modal domains. So let’s not forget that it’s important to use our fitness, and fit bodies, for stuff outside of the gym. Listen to your body and don’t be afraid to take a day (or several) off and go surfing or bike-riding or hiking or yogging etc. The Cabrillo boardwalk has attractive members of both sexes that would appreciate our hardwork.

I miss bread.

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Crossley’s is no doubt the best, based on empirical evidence, but I vote Phil’s to be the best based on practical application. Here’s to the opposite sex!

I miss bread too.

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I miss bread too

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This is a great question for debate.

What is your goal? If your goal is to lift more weight every time you go to the gym, it’s probably optimal to give yourself a rest day between efforts. If your doing all-out sprints, it’s going to be tough to set a personal record two days in a row. Do you workout for the endorphin high, which you seek out every day? In order to increase work capacity across broad time and modal domains you have to do the workouts and then repeat them to see your progress. Do Cindy on day 1 and then do Cindy on day 2. Did your score improve on day 2? In Opposition, do Cindy on day 1, rest day 2, and then do Cindy again on day 3. What were your results? In my best guess, I would say your results were better on day 3 than on day 2 because of the rest. Just my 2 cents.

With that being said, one could argue that you would never see the same workouts that close together at an affiliate or on the mainsite. And so one of the many neat things about CrossFit is that you could lift on day 1, do gymnastics on day 2, and sprint on day 3. Or you could blend all of those elements into one workout, which is the epitome of CrossFit (sprinter, gymnast, power lifter, olympic lifter). Then what would be optimal the next day? Rest? Another WOD?

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P.S. Anyone have an extra seat in their carpool on Saturday? Huff and CJ introduced me to CF at UCSB and it would be awesome to meet everyone from the two affiliates. Thanks.

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Migs, I have never in all my life heard a more accurate description of myself. Well done.

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